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"Watch my brains a minute, and see them whirl around."
We're still talking about David Bowie. 
27th-Sep-2006 12:37 pm
matociquala: Can I love him for admitting that he's only scared about an album if he thinks it's a good one?

truepenny: Yes. And that if he's not scared about it, he's doing something wrong. Totally. ::loff::

matociquala: Yes.

*loff*

See, this is the problem. I went and watched too many interviews, and he got all humanized, and now I feel odd staring at his crotch.

Lust is so much easier when you can objectify someone.

truepenny: ... and the collectivity of the practitioners of the Male Gaze, starting all the way back with the first Homo sapiens to draw a dirty picture on the wall of his cave, just got terrible cold shivers AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHY.

But I do.

matociquala: Hee. *g* It's so TRUE!

..not that that's going to stop me from staring at his crotch.

truepenny: Bear, David Bowie WANTS you to stare at his crotch.

matociquala: Well, it's how he makes his money, after all. And keeps your attention long enough to subvert you.

But I still feel dirty.

truepenny: You know, you've probably just made him very happy.

matociquala: Hee. Because I can intellectualize my crotch-staring?

(No, really. I respect you as a person, as an artist, as a man. As a father. ... ... ...do that thing with your tongue again?)

truepenny: Because he's made you feel dirty.

matociquala: I made me feel dirty.

Although I now understand men who say "No, really, I do respect..." *g*

truepenny: He has caused you to make yourself feel dirty. Not merely the genderfuck, but the identityfuck, has worked.

matociquala: Yes. The genderfuck cannot make me feel dirty. But he has exposed my own hypocrisy to me.

truepenny: That's a really complicated piece of subversion he's got going on there.

And you know, it's still got a beautiful, sexy, entertaining surface.

Which is the difference between "popular entertainment" and "art." If his genderfuck was not accompanied by catchy and popular songs, and wasn't saturated in popular culture--if, you know, it was all stark and demanding, with all the theory showing, no one would watch him, but everyone would write about him.

Our society has got fucked in the head somehow.

matociquala: Yes. This, exactly. It's the same thing he's doing with those two songs--"Jump They Say" and "Everyone Says Hi." You think it's a pop song. Bouncy shiny happy people dance tune. Cute little kid writing a letter tune.

But it's nooooooooot.

This is the same Shakespeare-trick I really, really want to learn.

truepenny: Tension--conflict even--between surface and depth.

It's hard.

And half the audience will miss it anyway.

matociquala: More than half. If you do it right, maybe even most.

But it doesn't matter.

Heck, that's part of the magic trick.

truepenny: The surface has to be worth people's while. See above re: the difference between "popular entertainment" and "art."
Comments 
27th-Sep-2006 08:59 pm (UTC)
Your fascination is, in itself, fascinating to watch.

27th-Sep-2006 09:02 pm (UTC)
I have pink brains! You can see them work!

This is good, because I was somewhat afraid I was coming across as fixated and boring. *g* I know I get very locked in when I'm on a trail.
27th-Sep-2006 09:10 pm (UTC)
No, it's like watching a mechanically inclined adolescent take an car apart. Someone has given them An Entire Car. They can take it apart. They can put it back together. They can put parts from other cars on it that weren't necessarily meant to be there. OMG, there is this car. And they can take it apart. When they're done with that, they can put it together again. It's theirs. They are searching online for manuals and nagging they guys at the salvage yards anbd parts stores.

In ten years they may be running a NASCAR pit crew, working as an automotive engineer in Detroit, appearing on television as the guy who does strange custom cars, or in jail for breaking into the slavage yard. But they have a car to play with.
27th-Sep-2006 09:30 pm (UTC)
Picking apart narrative technique is what my brain is optimized for. *g*
27th-Sep-2006 09:39 pm (UTC)
Also, there's no reason to stop being fascinated by how things work just because one has "grown up."
28th-Sep-2006 12:54 pm (UTC)
There better not be, because if there is, I'm really screwed.
28th-Sep-2006 01:40 pm (UTC)
*loff*
28th-Sep-2006 05:46 am (UTC)
I just reread this, and realized I have been entirely pwned.
28th-Sep-2006 12:56 pm (UTC)
You have, no doubt, heard the saying "It takes one to know one." This is why I am good at splitting hairs for the gummint.
28th-Sep-2006 01:41 pm (UTC)
Also. You are a good writer. "They can take it apart! They can put it together!"

You have captured a character in those few words.

Gimme that left-handed monkeywrench.
28th-Sep-2006 02:05 pm (UTC)
*Opens tool boxes*

*Becomes distracted by ring of Allen wrenches, sized from teeninecy through gargantuan*
28th-Sep-2006 02:09 pm (UTC)
Oh man. I could play with those things ALL DAY.
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